This Video is getting a LOT of attention, see STATS graph: http://mormonanswerman.blogspot.com/2009/05/gay-marriage-tyranny-of-tolerance.html New York Gov. David A. Paterson who is black is pushing gay marriage onto the State and comparing the battle to civil rights/slavery. The Black Clergy in the State say they resent his comparison to the Black Civil Rights movement. Me too, it just seems wrong-headed. Watch the video. 6 months ago, Keith Oberman said of Prop 8’s passage: “This vote is HHHHorible. HHHHorible! This is about the human heart, and if that sounds corny, so be it. If you voted for this proposition or supported those who did or the sentiment they expressed, I have some questions, because truly, I do not understand, why does this matter to you? What is it to you?”
If Keith doesn’t understand, why does he then call it HHHorible? If he doesn’t understand, how can he be emotional about it? In fact, that makes him prejudiced, angry and intolerant, the very definition of bigotry.
Taking a stand for traditional marriage and protecting it from being redefined is not bigotry, anymore than defending a culture or heritage against historical revisionism is bigotry. Someone is trying to change the status quo here, the long established traditions of 1000s of years.
A bigot is defined as: a person who is intolerant of or takes offense to the opinions, lifestyles or identities differing from his or her own. The key words here being intolerant and taking offense. That sounds like what many against Prop 8 think of those that supported Prop 8. They are against our opinions, our lifestyle, and our vote. Bigots have attitude that engenders profanity laced tirades, and Hollywood stars labeling legitimate voters as un-American. Un American?!!? You mean the lawful kind that exercise their right to vote in a democratic society, that kind of communist? When you disagree with someone based on morals, based on ideology, it does not make you a bigot. It does make you true to your principles, however. If disagreeing was bigotry, all gays would be bigoted against anyone who voted for Prop 8. Are they?
Well, I can feel the heat of bigotry. Just do a video for Prop 8. I feel the hate, I hear and read the hate speech. I feel the disdain. This marriage issue is about morals, about choices, and the definition of marriage as being between man and woman The origin of which can be validated by ancient books originating 1000s of years ago. History! Truths that transcend nations, and cultures, civilizations, and 1000s of years. Are we going to let the fad of a 21st century change all of that?
Gender is a key ingredient to our very existence. Gender spells out what we are. A guy not feeling good about his manhood does not change the fact that he IS a man and has all the characteristics of a man. A guy is a guy, because when a guy and a girl come together in marriage, the natural result is children. When a guy and a guy come together, nature doesnt validate that with procreation. Thats because, its unnatural. To most people it is as simple as that.
If one chooses to, they can join the ranks of the GLBT community. If you want to, you can do it, and they would accept you. All it takes is a choice. Isnt that an amazing truth? All you have to do is say you are one! Then they have to believe you! I choose not to. Its not because I was born to choose not to, its because I choose not to. We are not born gay. We are born babies, and we learn from our environment.
The teen years are when children start making decisions for good or bad, moral decisions, because its a time of intense physical, moral, and intellectual growth. This is the time that some youth decide to join the ranks of the GLBT community, having made a decision.
If you cant tell what a person is when they are born, then that person is not born that way. For example, I can tell a Chinese baby from an African baby. I can tell if the baby is a boy or a girl. The obvious things. No one, and I mean, no one can tell if a baby is going to turn out gay or turn out a doctor. That they may have resources in genes to be smart, physically strong, etc. is one thing, but absolutes on what they will be? No way. No one can tell if a boy will grow up to be a professional baseball player, or a bartender. Who knows?
You might hold a child in your arms and say this boy will grow up to be a football player! and that will happen if the boy is shaped, trained, and directed to do so, AND, if he wants to. Ultimately, he chooses. The influence of parenthood can be powerful for good or bad.
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February 27th, 2010 at 3:27 am
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No, I am not nauseated when I see a man. I can look at a man and it doesn’t make me want to barf.
When a homosexual says this they are just making excuses. We don’t get nauseated when we look at people. I just can’t relate to that kind of psychotic problem, if they have it.
But when God gave us this wonderful body, He also gave commandments to not commit adultery or fornication with it. That’s just a given, a respect for the temple of God. Self control. Discipline. All good to do that.
February 27th, 2010 at 3:27 am
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And that was because your hormones made you attracted to the opposite sex. You might find it nauseating to try and look at the same sex in a similar way so you don’t because you can’t. However, homosexuals can’t look at the opposite sex like you and I do. It just doesn’t work. So when God makes them like that, then how does it make it a sin to be a homosexual? God’s creation is a sin?
February 27th, 2010 at 3:27 am
Yes, before I got …
Yes, before I got married it was good and natural to be attracted to just about any girl I looked at. I accepted it then, although I never took it to immoral levels of or fornication, etc. Just attraction, and it was strong, and I embraced it, it was fun. Frustrating at times too when the girl showed no interest in you…
But now that I’m married, that switch has been necessarily turned off, and I control it by purposely minimizing the amount of time I give to it. Turn away, move on.
February 27th, 2010 at 3:27 am
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And yet its a perfectly natural human reaction to such a thing. if such a reflex didn’t exist among us or any creature, then we wouldn’t survive because we wouldn’t have the need to have sex and thus reproduce. Why is Jesus telling us that this “sex drive” that God has given us is not the way? God made us like this in the first place according to you.
February 27th, 2010 at 3:27 am
If looking the …
If looking the other way is my “distraction” then ok, that’s what I do. But to look upon a woman and after her is what Jesus said NOT to do, and so I don’t go there. I think if I did I would surely lust, like you said, it is built in to have temptations mean something to all of us. But we do have the power to look the other way, to deny ourselves of all ungodliness.
February 27th, 2010 at 3:27 am
No, there is no …
No, there is no need for me to sing a hymn about this one. It is pretty automatic for me that this is NOT a temptation for me. Sex drive is not automatic for everyone, like you say. Its not. I think there is a time when you can become spiritually obedient to certain things and they do not overcome you in some “automatic” sense. I don’t need to distract myself, I merely need to look the other way after a second or so, and not dwell on it. Not stare at it. If I do, I lose it. Who wouldn’t?
February 27th, 2010 at 3:27 am
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Self control really doesn’t strengthen a person. However it can be achieved by ANYONE who has the will power to do so.
February 27th, 2010 at 3:27 am
Animals don’t have …
Animals don’t have the intelligence that we have, and are not accountable. They are not here to be tested. They are part of OUR experience in making this world a wonderful place. We are being tested.
February 27th, 2010 at 3:27 am
Self control is a …
Self control is a hallmark of the truly spiritual person. I am not a master of this, but I DO believe in it. Self control is possible and strengthens a person, not weakens them. I believe Jesus Christ was the ultimate being of mastering self control, both in all physical things and in spiritual things. He made no sound when he was nailed to a cross. He gave no heed to satan’s temptations. He suffered immensely for sins. All out of self control. He did not fail us.
February 27th, 2010 at 3:27 am
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When you look at a woman and find some attractive features in this woman your sex drive kicks in and relative to your desires, they come into mind.. You can push them out by distracting yourself like you said. However you don’t have to sing a hym to do it. Its not hard. But the sex drive is pretty automatic. Its a survival feature built into sexual reproductive species.
February 27th, 2010 at 3:27 am
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A sex drive can only be controlled to a certain extent. The things that are out of our bounds of control is typically sexual desires (fantasies) and your sexuality (homosexuality).
If God controls the bounds of our sex lives then why doesn’t God command that animals be joined in marriage like us? Or are we God’s “red headed step child” so to speak?
February 27th, 2010 at 3:27 am
You CAN control …
You CAN control what comes into your mind. One thing I have learned from an Apostle of God is that our mind is like a stage, and only ONE act can take place on it at a time. If we allow sexual fantasies to act out on our minds we open ourselves up to various temptations. That’s how it starts. in hearts.
But we can REPLACE those thoughts. One way is to sing a hymn of God. When we do, those evil thoughts are replaced and the hymn takes over. Its kind of like “Spiritual Lamaze” and works.
February 27th, 2010 at 3:27 am
I think the urge …
I think the urge for sex is JUST THAT. Let’s leave it at that. Why do we need to try and make something biological at birth about it? Everyone has a sex drive. It must be controlled. It must be channeled in the right direction. It should be kept within the bounds the Lord has set, and there is a bounds defined as marriage, and in the Bible it was between man and woman.
February 27th, 2010 at 3:27 am
Its faith. God can …
Its faith. God can strengthen us to overcome temptations, but without His help in this, to get spiritual strength, we will be left to ourselves and in weakness feel like there is nothing we can do about it.
The Lord said:
Ether 12:27 I give unto men weakness that they may be humble; and my grace is sufficient for all men that humble themselves before me; for if they humble themselves before me, and have faith in me, then will I make weak things become strong unto them.
That’s how.
February 27th, 2010 at 3:27 am
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I’m sure you’re right. I’m sure alot of people will do that. However in cases of bisexuality, the urges for both sexes is there in some people. There are people who are married who choose not to act on such things for the reason you just mentioned, because they don’t want to ruin their life with their family. Its being faithful. However people can’t control what comes to mind as far as sexual desires are concerned.
February 27th, 2010 at 3:27 am
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Sounds like you have control of your hormones then. Whats your secret? Because really, I’m sure there is ALOT of homosexuals out there that would love to know so that they can control their sexual preference so they no longer have to live with ridicule and simply living a “straight” life. I know 1 individual who would change to become straight if he could but he can’t so he has to live with it. It’s not by choice like you imply.
February 27th, 2010 at 3:27 am
I know of many …
I know of many people who got married, had kids, and THEN chose to act on gay decisions. Who knows WHAT they did to actually ruin their marriages like that. Who cares. They chose wrong and ruined lives for a very selfish act/decision.
Happens all the time.
February 27th, 2010 at 3:27 am
Unlike you, then, I …
Unlike you, then, I have control over my choices. If you want to assume that you don’t have any control over who or what you are attracted to, then that’s your right to be ignorant/stubborn about it. I know for a FACT that I have control over my decisions of what to be attracted to.
For example. I got married. I now CHOOSE to NOT be attracted to other women, and I don’t act on that, AT ALL. I control it. I choose.
Your logic would have such a man just be an adulterer!
February 27th, 2010 at 3:27 am
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We don’t choose attractions. Our body does it for us. Most of us grow up with the attraction to the opposite sex. As an organism, we need to be attracted to the opposite sex in order to survive as a species. However, you (assuming you are straight ) and I can’t choose to be attracted to the same sex because that chemistry doesn’t exist for that to happen.
February 27th, 2010 at 3:27 am
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Gay people don’t become gay due to “acquired” taste like you seem to believe. If this was true then me (straight guy) would have to have acquired a taste in women based on the logic you just threw at me.
February 27th, 2010 at 3:27 am
Some of even choose …
Some of even choose to make attractive to us things that are not naturally attractive to us. For instance, smokers. At first they cough and choke. In the last, they suck it in deep and strong and let it simmer in their lungs. Acquired taste.
Same with liquor and hard liquor. Same with hot sauce. Same with gay? I think so.
February 27th, 2010 at 3:27 am
I have been …
I have been approached by gay men who had intentions. I rejected them. I chose.
If I can choose like that, certainly their decisions to advance are choices also. A choice is a choice, even if we like or dislike the choice set before us. If I love steak and it rests on a plate before me, I am going to LIKE the choice to eat it. If a pile of garbage rests there instead, I am going to choose to complain to the waitress and leave the restaurant. My choice.
We ALL choose our attractions.
February 27th, 2010 at 3:27 am
There is no such …
There is no such thing as “unnatural” in the “natural” universe. Anything that is unnatural only exists in the minds of human beings. Fairy tales, Science fiction etc.
Gay people DO NOT CHOOSE their lifestyle WILLINGLY.
You’re right though: Children are not born gay. But they aren’t born to like the opposite sex either until they come into age of puberty. You didn’t choose to have an attraction to the opposite sex. Its just simply how your sex drive functions.
February 27th, 2010 at 3:27 am
News Flash: Gay …
News Flash: Gay Marriage is the only political issue black conservative figureheads have addressed in the last ten years!
Meanwhile, in the African-American community only 31% of all blacks get married, and 70% of all children are born to single unwed-mothers!
Black religious conservatives should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of worrying about gays, they need to take a hard look in the mirror, and start to worry about the pitiful marriage rate in their own damned community. LOL
February 27th, 2010 at 3:27 am
Whelan reports that …
Whelan reports that the prospect of harassment and intimidation is so great that Yes on 8’s counsel says “some potential witnesses have indicated that they will not be willing to testify at all if the trial is broadcast or webcast beyond the courthouse.”